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Do you believe in climate change?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by Hatham, Jan 12, 2020.

  1. pussycat

    pussycat Administrator Staff Member

    It will happen, guaranteed.
     
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  2. Jeeves 22

    Jeeves 22 Trusted.Member

    Smith had it almost right.
    Humans are the host, they only carry the virus. The virus is collectivism in all its forms; socialism, communism, democratic governance and yes, even capitalism (in the form of corporate-socialism).
    Collectively, each of us form the bars of the cage that imprisons our mind. Mr. Anderson or 'NEO' had to learn that he didn't need to belong to the Matrix, he was free to think for himself-fully and completely. Only then you turn from being a parasitic consumer in the collective to a sovereign creator, accessing the infinite.
    You create your own reality.
    You ask "is climate change real?" Answer: "If your mind creates it, then it is real to you."
    Climate change isn't a religion by itself, it's only one of many sacraments of the greater religion of "ISM"
     
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  3. Brutus58

    Brutus58 Trusted.Member

    That's how the dinosaurs fixed climate change and created the Ice Age. Then again who or what ended the Ice Age?
     
  4. Rubber Ducky

    Rubber Ducky Trusted.Member

    That is a bit far fetched. The dinosaurs got extinct due to an asteroïd. Life on our planet was not able to cause a climate change. To be fair, the dinos got extinct 66 milion years ago. The last ice age was 30 milion years ago, and the one before that ended 267 milion years ago. Quick math : it took 36 milion years to get from dino extincion to the next ice age. The last ice age ended 11.500 years ago.
     
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  5. borabora

    borabora Moderator Staff Member

    There was made a forecast on 2020 - that there is inside the Earth
    - oil - left for 57 years;
    - gas - left for 43 years;
    - coal - for 230 years,
    if the consumptions could remain on 2020 level. But the consumption level
    stays not static - so, less time left.

    You see - bad luck for our grandchildren - they get no gas and oil any more.
    Gas/Oil - Game Over. No usual cars and aeroplanes any more.
    Steam boats and steam locomotives will carry people.
    Or bicycles...

    For 200 years. Then also a coal game is over.

    No heating any more for Northern, cold countries >
    people are getting into fights for a right to live in areas,
    where no heating is needed. New wars expected...

    * /Some other forecasts are even worse -
    see
    - https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/climate-change/energy/the-end-of-oil
    - https://mahb.stanford.edu/library-item/fossil-fuels-run/

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  6. Rubber Ducky

    Rubber Ducky Trusted.Member

    @borabora : don't forget oil isn't only used to make fuel. Every plastic in the world started in an oil refinery. I found an infographic describing what a barrel of crude is used for.

    Everybody is talking about our consumption and what it does to the environment our kids and grandkids are going to live in. Noboby utters a word about the fact we will run out of the black stuff and do something about that.

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  7. Brutus58

    Brutus58 Trusted.Member

    My point was this planet has gone trough extreme changes in climate regardless of the amount of time it took to happen or the cause.
     
  8. Jeeves 22

    Jeeves 22 Trusted.Member

    'Fossil fuel' is a misnomer used to give the illusion of scarcity. There are no dinosaur juice nor cavemen in crude oil.
    Oil is made of a large chain of carbon molecules. Notice that most of our cooking oils come from vegetable sources. The same goes for crude oil, it is the product of vegetation biomass. As long as plants keep growing, dying, decaying, and their oils consolidate within layers of rock, you will always have a source of crude oil.
    There's no oil scarcity whatsoever.
    The concept of "peak oil" only means that our refinement capacity is at its maximum, not our rate of collection. We could easily improve efficiency of gasoline engines, even combine it with hydrogen technology which exhausts water vapor. If we would get off gasoline and go between diesel, methane, and ethanol we'd have no problem keeping up with demand. Methane and ethanol burning are the cleanest while even diesel gives a power to pollution output far cleaner than that of "green energy" alternatives. Carbon is part of a cycle. What we output gets sequestered by grasses, algae, microbes, trees, etc, which then makes more underground oil.
    We're not even touching that 'third rail' of Nikola T's "passive energy" systems yet. Hold on to your hats when that starts hitting mainstream. If that were implemented, the Universal Church of Climatarians wouldn't have a pew to sit in anymore.
     
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  9. Jeeves 22

    Jeeves 22 Trusted.Member

    This is priceless MSM reporting going on here.
    CNN seems to completely forget all about their Climate Conspiracy long enough to give us a 250 million year death sentence when Pangaea brings sexy back. I hear people say "you can't make this stuff up." Wrong! All of this breathless, up-to-the-minute emerging news is fabricated bullshit. Keep that in mind before watching this and it will be much more entertaining.
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/26/world/supercontinent-earth-intl-scli-climate-scn
     
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  10. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    A point to reflect on, using fossil fuels saved the whales from extinction. Back in the 1800's whale oil was used for many of the purposes that fossil fuels are being used for now. If fossil fuels did not replace whale oil then whales would have gone extinct by the early 1900's. The whales are endangered now even without the need of whale oil, but if whale oil was still used, all of the whales would have been hunted down. There are several thousands of uses of crude oil. Some uses can be replaced with synthetics, some can be replaced with vegetable substitutes. The rest will come from killing and reducing animals including whales. So it will come down to the choice of continuing to use crude oil or causing mass extinctions of animals across the world. The only other choice is to take civilization back several hundred years, of course with technology back then they could only support at most 500 million people, so to go back to that more than 7 billion people needs to die.
     
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  11. Singleknottymum

    Singleknottymum New Member

    Yes but I also accept that it's a natural progression as well! Man has added to the speed of the destruction that we see.
     
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  12. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

  13. Watchfan

    Watchfan Trusted Member

    Yes the climate is changing……..just like it has for millions of years.
     
  14. Arjin

    Arjin Trusted Member

    Climate change is real and man made. Some say climate is always changing; but that's weather; not climate, which is stable over long duration of time. The problem we face today is the rapid scale of the change, which is unprecedented in Earth's history. The world's flora and fauna do not have the time needed to evolve to the pace of change without going extint.
     
  15. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    This is not true. Climate is always changing. Weather can change daily or weekly, climate changes in decades, centuries, or more, but it is always changing. There have been countless time where most of the species have been wiped out by the change in climate. It is the survivors that adapt and evolve.
     
  16. pezzheaddazzler

    pezzheaddazzler Trusted Member

    The climate has been changing forever remember the ice ages and the Sedimentary rock found in the mountains came from oceans covering the earth at different times,
    yes what we are doing now changes the climate some but its a bump on the chain of events that was happening anyway.
     
  17. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    A major change that the Climate Activist and the Activist Scientists refuse to acknowledge is the impending magnetic shift. The magnetic poles are preparing to swap. The shift is causing a lot of changes including changes to the climate. The preparations for the shift takes a long time, but when the shift occurs it will be rapid maybe one or two years. The closer to the shift the more disruption to the climate.
     
  18. hpthei

    hpthei Trusted Member

    @pezzheaddazzler: Climate has been changing, that is true.
    But the current change is extremely fast, compared to other changes of climate in the past. This makes current events so dangerous. Ecosystems and human life dont't adapt to it fast enough. The current change induces droughts, floodings and other extreme weather events. If the intensity of these events increases, we may end up with a dire situation concerning food and water supplies. This affects the poorest people most and will increase migration pressure.
     
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  19. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    The ecosystem and the humans will adapt to the change in climate. Fortifying and/or moving our cities will be cheaper and more effective than trying to stop the change in climate.
     
  20. bw19481

    bw19481 Trusted.Member

    No to mention that the Sun also has changes of activity that directly effect out climate and weather patterns. They also dismiss forest fires, which in California is caused by their own ignorant policies, and volcanic activity. All of which, except for forest fires, there is nothing we can do about.
     
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