Palestinian and Israeli conflict

Which lands are we talking about? Because if we are talking East of Jerusalem. Sorry. Israeli. 100%. Ceded in, I want to say, Yom Kippur War by Jordan. To ISRAEL. Not "To Israel to give to Palestine". West Bank gets complicated as that was the "new border agreed to internationally" after Israel agreed to NOT KEEP MARCHING TO AND DECIMATE all the way to Damascus.

Lian, on this one trust those of us who knew people IN ISRAEL at the time. Israel never showed agression. All these supposed "occupied" lands were either CEDED in Peace Treaties or held as "Spoils of War" the other side lost. Israel existed. Palestinians were offered half in 1948. They said no with a wink and whisper from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan that they would attack and get them all of it. A few wars later, all of which Israel won pretty decisively, Jordan ceded that eastern area. Egypt ceded a bit. Israel kept some land from Syria. Egypt and Jordan signed PEACE TREATIES with Israel. They are not "Occupying" anything. Yassir Arraft? Was EGYPTIAN! Not "Palestinian". He was born and raised in CAIRO, not "Palestine". Which never existed. Trans-Jordan. Not "Palestine".

I say this all the time. Israel should go in front of the UN and say. "As of today we are stopping attacks on West Bank. BUT and this is an IRON WALL statement. The first rocket after ONE WEEK FROM NOW will be construed as an ACT OF ACTUAL WAR and treated as such. And such is NOT defined as a strike on the location. Such is defined as TANKS, Troops and significant strikes. The first rocket and we will take back every inch that we gave them in hope of PEACE. They have a responsibility to stop their people. WE do not have a responibilty to sit there and be attacked while their government throws up their hands and says "What can we do?! It is individuals!" while it is being launched by "Individuals" from government run HOSPITALS, government subsidized housing, government buildings. Sorry. The moment attacks and storage of weapons are in hospitals? That negates their special status. Makes them valid targets.".

 

I have another data, from open Wikipedia.
His name was not Yassir Arraft - his shorter version name was - Yasser Arafat.
See - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat
His full name was - Mohammed Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini
He was born in Cairo on 24 August, 1929, to Palestinian parents.
/At that time there was not yet existing a country, named Israel /
He was born in Cairo, Egypt.
His father, Abdel Raouf al-Qudwa al-Husseini, was a Palestinian from Gaza City, whose mother, Yasser's paternal grandmother, was Egyptian. Arafat's father battled in the Egyptian courts for 25 years to claim family land in Egypt as part of his inheritance but was unsuccessful. He worked as a textile merchant in Cairo's religiously mixed Sakakini District.
Arafat was the second-youngest of seven children and was, along with his younger brother Fathi, the only offspring born in Cairo.
Jerusalem was the family home of his mother, Zahwa Abul Saud, who died from a kidney ailment in 1933, when Arafat was four years of age.

 

So interesting addition. Makes it even more damaged argument that he was fighting for his "rightful home" though. His RIGHTFUL home was not even part of land held by Israel until 1967. His home was part of the nation he lived in from 1929 his birth until they attacked Isreal and lost a war in 1967. Almost all of which went back (Sinai) in 1981. The point is if the Palestinians had said YES in 1947? They got more than HALF. They said no. Brits ceded their colony to the Jews in 1948. Over the next 20 years the Arab Nations stupidly attacked again and again. Israel slowly took land as the winners do. They gave back some in peace treaties later. But they are the ONLY nation expected to now, decades later, just give the land gained in war to another group, then when that group attacks them play "better person" and do nothing in retaliation.

On another note. There are TWO Arab groups in Israel. It is not an APARTHIED state like so many try to pretend it is. There are the "WE ARE PALESTINE! ONLY PALESTINE!". Akin to our US "Sovreign Citizens". Who claim they are due land under different laws and rules than those that exist in REALITY. Then there are the Arab Israelis. Who have FULL CITIZENSHIP. Full RIGHTS. Serve in the Army, Government, Legislature, etc. The closest to Apartheid it is, is if Cliven Bundy's people and The Branch Davidians lived under Apartheid. The only "oppression" is THEIR pushing against the government and constantly POKING THE BEAR.

 

Israel is not a historical country, but a political country. A historical country would be the European countries, which have a long history of confrontations, invasions, wars, kings, agreements... which over the course of time have given birth to the current countries. However, Israel came into being by a political decision of the UN and by taking land from Palestine, the best land. In UN resolution 181, Palestine was divided into two countries, i.e. there was one country, Palestine, and the UN decided to divide that country into two countries, Palestine and Israel. We live in our country and in our homes. Let's imagine that one day soldiers come and force us to leave those lands where not only we have lived, but our ancestors have lived and also to leave our houses and the best lands and our family and we are forced to live in the desert and in refugee camps. In the UN resolution 181 it has always been a big mistake.I

 

Not Country. You were a British COLONY. Not a "country". If Britian decided you were called Zabababababababadada, UN approved it and they split it into 4 zones for the US, Russians, Chinese and Ausies? That was their choice as it was their colony. There was also a reason no other Arab nation took your people. Lets tell the whole story. Something about a reputation of trying to "take charge" in whatever nation you went to.

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This is the map from the 1947 proposal. Looks like you were offered everything except the current West Bank and Negev Desert lands. Not "Pushed into the desert to live in camps". All you had to do was say yes and not assume the other nations would get you EVERYTHING in the war(s) they lost. And accept you would not "control" Jerusalem.

 

The Jews considers Israel as their historical land from back in the Biblical times. The Palestinians have always been a nomadic tribe and never had any historical lands. The Palestinians was considered by the rest of the Arabs as disreputable people and if they tried to settle anywhere they were soon forced out. Countries like Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran really wants Israel and Palestine at each others throat, because it keeps both of them out of their hair. If Israel wins and eliminates the Palestine, most of the Arab countries wouldn't care. If Palestine wins and eliminates the Israelis, the other Arabs countries would band together and wipe out Palestine. The Arabs can learn to live with Israel but they have no desire to live with the Palestinians.

 

Israel/Judea. A nation conquered last by ROME. So a HISTORICAL COUNTRY. Sorry.

 

Should the US give back the Southwest to Mexico? I mean they were not ASKED. The entire nation to the Natives? Should all Europe be reverted to the pre Roman Tribal borders? Because Rome did not "ask"?

 

We agree 100%. This is a rarity. Also usually means that complete unadulterated historical fact is being spoken with little "spin" to it.

 

The U.S. did ask, very strongly.

 

OK. Should Poland surrender most of their port access? That was granted post WWII. That was not 1000s of years ago. BTW. Fall of Rome was not multiple millennia ago. little under 1600 years ago.

 

Poland before WWII had a small strip of coast access. Most of what they have now was taken from Germany and others after the war. Same concept.