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Israel Palestine

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by Lian, Oct 8, 2023.

  1. Lian

    Lian Friendly One

    New war started.
    I see lots of people saying Israeli are victims but.. why dont they speak of the decades of Israeli bombing of Palestinian civilians? I do not agree with the Palestinian attack, but.. dont they have a right to defend themselves from Israeli colonialism? Dont they also have the right to defend themselves?
    I repeat again, though, I am NOT for the attack. But blaming only them is a jerk move, I think. Israel is to blame, with how they have been acting for decades toward them.
     
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2023
  2. bw19481

    bw19481 Trusted.Member

    Pretty typical leftist antisemitism. Hamas sneaks across the border, breaks in to homes, kills hundreds and takes hundreds more hostage but lets blame Israel. The Palestinians consistently have rejected peace, even their own state over the years. They democratically elected Hamas their leaders a few years ago. At that moment all funds and aid should have been cut off, the entire place should have been blockaded and the moment that there was an attack it should have been carpet bombed.

    Iran should be wiped off the face of the earth for their terrorist support. every drop of blood on both sides is on their hands.
     
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  3. Lian

    Lian Friendly One

    I am not antisemitist, and I did say I do not support the attack. Did you even read the post or are you too stupid?

    Yes, Hamas attack is not a good thing.
    I am just saying that Israel has been attacking Palestine for decades too. And that they have been illegally colonizing Gaza for years, too.

    I am not saying what Palestine did is right. But I am not blind, what Israel did isnt right either.

    No party is clean in that war.

    Also, about Palestine rejecting peace; Israel was giving ti Jewish people by the West, from lands belonging to Palestine. So... yeah, sure, all countries would love to give up lands because another country force them to.
     
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  4. bw19481

    bw19481 Trusted.Member

    Israel only attack when attacked. They don't start shit. Leftists always blame the Jews because they don't believe that Israel is a legitimate state as you said in your last sentence. Fun fact: all of the mosques are build on the ruins of Jewish temples. The jews were there first so the west didn't give them anything that belonged to the Palestinians.
     
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    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

     
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  6. Lian

    Lian Friendly One

    Israel dont attack? Ok now I k ow you are trolling xD
     
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  7. Bh5153

    Bh5153 Trusted.Member

    With everything that has happened in Israel in the last 36 hours, I think you can throw gun control out the window. Israel is not a gun friendly country. 40% of firearms licenses are rejected and if approved you can only own one pistol and 50 rounds of ammo. The citizens of Israel were helpless when they were attacked and they paid the price.
     
  8. bw19481

    bw19481 Trusted.Member

    I said they attack after the are attacked. They don't do first strikes unless there is an eminent threat of being attacked.
     
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  9. bw19481

    bw19481 Trusted.Member


    Yep. Some countries don't even allow that. Hell some states are working towards that.
     
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  10. Lian

    Lian Friendly One

    Then why have they been bombing Gaza for years? No, they do attack, and first, often, when it suits them
     
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  11. bw19481

    bw19481 Trusted.Member

    The bomb Gaza after Hamas launches missiles, balloons, stock piles weapons or is planning something major. They do not just randomly blow shit up. Stop drinking the Kool Ade of the liberal media.
     
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  12. Lian

    Lian Friendly One

    I give up.
    Wont debate with a brainwashed fool
     
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  13. Lian

    Lian Friendly One

    Israel are not innocent in that war, though. They have been bombing Palestine for decades. But since they have the right friends, we ignore the atrocities they do, and only see those of their enemies. Because both sides are guilty.
     
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  14. bw19481

    bw19481 Trusted.Member

    Yes because it is the Israelle's that teach their children to chant death to the Jews. It is only the Jews that launch missiles indiscriminately. Yes for 80 years Israel has rejected peace and keeps saying they only want a country that is sea to sea.
     
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  15. Lian

    Lian Friendly One

    Its the West that stole Palestinian lands to give them to Israel, and its Israel that has been illegally colonizing more lands, even if the UN told them not to. And Israel has been bombing Palestine, so why should Palestine accept peace from them?
    Both sides have done bad things. If Israel really want peace, its easy; they stop colonizing Palestinian lands and they stop bombing their civilians. Then both sides can sit at the table and talk. Because both sides have done very bad things, Israel AND Palestine.
     
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  16. bw19481

    bw19481 Trusted.Member

    Ignoring that the Jews were there first and every building that the Muslims built are on top of the old Jewish cities. Hamas and Hesbola want the entire country from sea to sea. It is their mantra and chant along with death to Jews.
     
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  17. Lian

    Lian Friendly One

    Jews left thousands of years ago, but ok. Befire the Jews, Zoroastrians were there. Do we give them the lands? ISA, its Native lands. We give all the lands back to them and Americans can pack and leave?
    And what about Israel's indoctrination and their own chants about killing muslims?
     
  18. bw19481

    bw19481 Trusted.Member

    No the Jews were forced out starting in the 700 AD's after Mohamad conquered the region and then when the Ottoman empire formed and really did a full onslaught of the Jewish people.
     
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  19. Lian

    Lian Friendly One

    What about Americans in America, then? Should all the lands br given to the First Nations? You avoid the question. What happened centuries ago isnt justification.
     
  20. bw19481

    bw19481 Trusted.Member


    I live in Arizona. Half the state belongs to Indians.