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Could Trump win again?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by Hatham, Jan 12, 2020.

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  1. buffyfan

    buffyfan Moderator Staff Member

    It is not "how it was intended. Neither is the House anymore. The original intent was the House grows with population. Not "The House is capped because we need to keep expanding but it is getting too big. So now proportionate to 435 and population of said state.". The EC and and espeically the House were never meant to get capped. Because the Founders never intended to hold a state on the other side of a nation, one multiple hours FLIGHT away (in their day want to say months by boat) and holdings halfway to China.
     
  2. SmallTown83

    SmallTown83 Account Deleted

    No because Trump is nothing but a joke and fool.
     
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  3. GreenShark84

    GreenShark84 Trusted Member

    And the senile pedo Biden isn't?

    That guy will forever be known as the man who fled like a bitch when the scummy Taliban started reclaiming Afghanistan.
     
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  4. Anatol Kuragin

    Anatol Kuragin Account Deleted

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  5. GreenShark84

    GreenShark84 Trusted Member

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  6. SmallTown83

    SmallTown83 Account Deleted

    I think all us politicians are fucked, the Republicans don't have a chance in hell. The last good Republican the us has ever seen was McCain,but since he is dead the days of a republican with actual brains is long gone.
     
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  7. GreenShark84

    GreenShark84 Trusted Member

    Well the country is well and truly fucked then.

    The mob currently in the Oval Office atm make Maduro down in Venezuela look sane.
     
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  8. SmallTown83

    SmallTown83 Account Deleted

    Lol what was the last US president you actually respected?
     
  9. GreenShark84

    GreenShark84 Trusted Member

    That's not really what I'm getting at.

    You're pretty much saying the evil scum currently occupying office will win again.

    It's no wonder Pedo Biden ran like a little bitch when a terrorist sympathiser in Ilhan Omar is in Congress.
     
  10. Dad's toy

    Dad's toy Trusted.Member

    Trump will not be the candidature in 2024. But Trump without twitter will be.
    It may be DeSantis, Abbott or Tim Scott.
    One of those will be our next president.
    The dems have proven themselves incapable of governing.

    toy
     
  11. itshot

    itshot Trusted.Member

    What's Biden?
     
  12. Hatham

    Hatham Trusted Member

    This is actually a very commonly known fact. It doesn’t take very much research to see that Trump pushed for a much earlier removal date.
     
  13. UriF

    UriF Trusted Member

    Just a trash
     
  14. muttley

    muttley Trusted.Member

    Pretty sure there were several conditions that had to be met by the proposed May withdrawal date, to allow it to proceed.
    None were met.
    The time window was extended, and again, no conditions were met.
    In fact, it allowed the situation to get exponentially worse, to the point of people clinging to the landing gear of the last plane out, much like the fall of Saigon.
    An earlier, more thoroughly planned exit, would have resulted in far less chaos and collateral damage.

    2 cents
     
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  15. Brutus58

    Brutus58 Trusted.Member

    And Biden isn't? What about that Afghanistan fiasco? The southern border crisis? Rampant inflation? I could keep going on about the senile old coot of a president and the no show Vice P. Oh, she does show up for photo ops, nothing else of any consequence.
     
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  16. SmallTown83

    SmallTown83 Account Deleted

    And did you think Afghanistan was gonna be easy to leave? Better question why do you think your military should have stayed? Your military is not a world police force? Mind your manners and your own political shit show. The sad part is what made your citizens raid your own capital? What southern border crisis?
     
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  17. Hatham

    Hatham Trusted Member

    “Pretty sure” is not a valid source.
     
  18. muttley

    muttley Trusted.Member

    Alright. I'll do your research for you. A quick Google search of "Doha Agreement (2020)" brings up a plethora of references and articles.

    But I'll copy and a paste it here, anyway.

    Source; https://www.state.gov/wp-content/up...or-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

    In short, it's a four page peace treaty signed by the US, and the Taliban in Doha Qatar, Feb. 29th 2020.



    Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan between the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan
    which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and the United States of America February 29, 2020
    (which corresponds to Rajab 5, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 10, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar)

    1. Guarantees and enforcement mechanisms that will prevent the use of the soil of Afghanistan by any group or individual against the security of the United States and its allies.

    2. Guarantees, enforcement mechanisms, and announcement of a timeline for the withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan

    3. After the announcement of guarantees for a complete withdrawal of foreign forces and timeline in the presence of international witnesses, and guarantees and the announcement in the presence of international witnesses that Afghan soil will not be used against the security of the United States and its allies, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will start intra-Afghan negotiations with Afghan sides on March 10, 2020, which corresponds to Rajab 15, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 20, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar.

    4. A permanent and comprehensive ceasefire will be an item on the agenda of the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations. The participants of intra-Afghan negotiations will discuss the date and modalities of a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire, including joint implementation mechanisms, which will be announced along with the completion and agreement over the future political roadmap of Afghanistan.

    The four parts above are interrelated and each will be implemented in accordance with its own agreed timeline and agreed terms. Agreement on the first two parts paves the way for the last two parts.

    Following is the text of the agreement for the implementation of parts one and two of the above. Both sides agree that these two parts are interconnected. The obligations of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban in this agreement apply in areas under their control until the formation of the new post-settlement Afghan Islamic government as determined by the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations.

    PART ONE

    The United States is committed to withdraw from Afghanistan all military forces of the United States, its allies, and Coalition partners, including all non-diplomatic civilian personnel, private security contractors, trainers, advisors, and supporting services personnel within fourteen (14) months following announcement of this agreement, and will take the following measures in this regard:

    A. The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will take the following measures in the first one hundred thirty-five (135) days:

    1) They will reduce the number of U.S. forces in Afghanistan to eight thousand six hundred (8,600) and proportionally bring reduction in the number of its allies and Coalition forces.

    2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from five (5) military bases.

    B. With the commitment and action on the obligations of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban in Part Two of this agreement, the United States, its allies, and the Coalition will execute the following:

    1) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will complete withdrawal of all remaining forces from Afghanistan within the remaining nine and a half (9.5) months.

    2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from remaining bases.

    C. The United States is committed to start immediately to work with all relevant sides on a plan to expeditiously release combat and political prisoners as a confidence building measure with the coordination and approval of all relevant sides. Up to five thousand (5,000) prisoners of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and up to one thousand (1,000) prisoners of the other side will be released by March 10, 2020, the first day of intra-Afghan negotiations, which corresponds to Rajab 15, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 20, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar. The relevant sides have the goal of releasing all the remaining prisoners over the course of the subsequent three months. The United States commits to completing this goal. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban commits that its released prisoners will be committed to the responsibilities mentioned in this agreement so that they will not pose a threat to the security of the United States and its allies.

    D. With the start of intra-Afghan negotiations, the United States will initiate an administrative review of current U.S. sanctions and the rewards list against members of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban with the goal of removing these sanctions by August 27, 2020, which corresponds to Muharram 8, 1442 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Saunbola 6, 1399 on the Hijri Solar calendar.

    E. With the start of intra-Afghan negotiations, the United States will start diplomatic engagement with other members of the United Nations Security Council and Afghanistan to remove members of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban from the sanctions list with the aim of achieving this objective by May 29, 2020, which corresponds to Shawwal 6, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Jawza 9, 1399 on the Hijri Solar calendar.

    F. The United States and its allies will refrain from the threat or the use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Afghanistan or intervening in its domestic affairs.


    PART TWO

    In conjunction with the announcement of this agreement, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will take the following steps to prevent any group or individual, including al-Qa’ida, from using the soil of Afghanistan to threaten the security of the United States and its allies:

    1. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will not allow any of its members, other individuals or groups, including al-Qa’ida, to use the soil of Afghanistan to threaten the security of the United States and its allies.

    2. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will send a clear message that those who pose a threat to the security of the United States and its allies have no place in Afghanistan, and will instruct members of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban not to cooperate with groups or individuals threatening the security of the United States and its allies.

    3. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will prevent any group or individual in Afghanistan from threatening the security of the United States and its allies, and will prevent them from recruiting, training, and fundraising and will not host them in accordance with the commitments in this agreement.

    4. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban is committed to deal with those seeking asylum or residence in Afghanistan according to international migration law and the commitments of this agreement, so that such persons do not pose a threat to the security of the United States and its allies.

    5. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will not provide visas, passports, travel permits, or other legal documents to those who pose a threat to the security of the United States and its allies to enter Afghanistan.


    PART THREE

    1. The United States will request the recognition and endorsement of the United Nations Security Council for this agreement.

    2. The United States and the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban seek positive relations with each other and expect that the relations between the United States and the new post-settlement Afghan Islamic government as determined by the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations will be positive.

    3. The United States will seek economic cooperation for reconstruction with the new postsettlement Afghan Islamic government as determined by the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations, and will not intervene in its internal affairs.

    Signed in Doha, Qatar on February 29, 2020, which corresponds to Rajab 5, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 10, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar, in duplicate, in Pashto, Dari, and English languages, each text being equally authentic.
     
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  19. Brutus58

    Brutus58 Trusted.Member

    I won't debate you over the democrat approved rioting by Antifa and BLM with deaths and destruction.

    I am not saying that our troops shouldn't come home, it's the WAY IT WAS DONE that was SO WRONG!!!! Biden is just incompetent and Ha Ha Ha Ha Harris is running away to Vietnam. Fitting. Just like Hanoi Jane.
     
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  20. texasj65

    texasj65 Deviant Extraordinaire

    It was so thoughtful of biden to leave all that military equipment and arms behind for the taliban. I'm sure only the peaceful warriors will gather them up and dispose them for us... /sarcasm
     
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