1. As a guest you have limited access to the forums.
  2. Membership is free.
  3. So why not Sign up now!

Trump

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by Nerdboy, Jun 28, 2019.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Dracoa

    Dracoa Trusted.Member

    When they also agree that illegal border crossings should be decriminalized, they are basically arguing for no borders, and for the US to give healthcare to the rest of the world, but not US citizens. Sure it was after they tried "free" healthcare for US citizens, you know, that the US citizens would pay for with tax money, but somehow it'd be "free", and they couldn't afford to do that, but they somehow think they can afford to pay for billions on non-citizens.

    They are all targeting the CTRL-Left activists/communist socialists, they want that fringe vote, and don't care if they lose the moderates. When the moderates see that the left has left them, they'll either not vote, or vote for the more sane Trump. So while it may be a wash for Democrats, even if only 10% vote for Trump, that still gives him the edge and the win. The left has spiraled out of control and they don't even care. Hell, they've got Joe Biden that has tried to grope little girls as a serious contender. What do you think goes through peoples minds when they see that sort of thing not being condemned on the left?
     
    Brutus58, curiousFred and oldman681 like this.
  2. SecretWishes

    SecretWishes Trusted.Member

    That all depends on what other facts you look at. MOST (and I mean a strong) majority of the illegal immigrants in the USA actually came here legally. What most people don't pay attention to are how many of them do not leave when they are supposed to.

    See it takes MANY years to get a green card or get naturalization (The fasted I ever heard of was 7 years, but most sit around 12-20 years to process). But they only give work visas and other documents that allow non-citizens to stay for up to 2 years at a time (4 if you can get a personal AND workforce endorsement, meaning the company the person works for takes on some of responsibility (including financial) of the person, which is fairly difficult.

    So at the end of their term, the person is restated as an illegal immigrant who entered the US illegally.

    The border issue is bad, but no where near as bad as expiring visa/permits situation. But no one really looks at those, especially in the media.

    I can make a WHOLE new thread on this... and in fact, I feel like this is straying from the origin of the thread, but here's my observation:

    Trump is definitely a person who likes to keep issues on the table. It seems that is the only way to get people involved and willing to do what it takes to be a participant in government operations (voting, debates, etc) on a scale that actually creates change. In this regard, Trump is doing a decent job.

    On the flip side is the Gannett conglomerate that owns/operates about 80% of all news agencies in America. So a loftof the news you see or hear (even when they come through the "wire" or the Associated Press) is likely sourced from only a few people that fall under the Gannett umbrella. After a disastrous interview with Trump in the early 90's (I think), anyone under the Gannett or Cable News Network (CNN) umbrellas do not try to play nice with anyone living about the 2% line.

    So this is just a long time grudge match. I find it best to track the Oval Office's minutes and the minutes from the Capitol (which are open to the public except for classified minutes primarily due to military matters). Only then can a person make a truly informed decision.

    -SW
     
    curiousFred likes this.
  3. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    From what I can determine, Trump is very Social Media savvy, he just seems to be a bull in a china shop, doesn't care what he knocks over but knows where he is going.
     
    curiousFred and Brutus58 like this.
  4. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    If you take your numbers and calculate out the statistics, there are over 350 million citizens in the U.S. and 12 million or so illegals aliens, that comes to roughly 30 to 1, if for every 1 illegal is not paying taxed versus 5 citizens that means occurrence of non-taxpayers occurs at 600% higher among illegals. Plus a large percent of illegals come here to make money then send it home to their families, taking money out of the U.S. economy thereby decreasing the U.S. economy and increasing their own.
     
    Brutus58 likes this.
  5. SecretWishes

    SecretWishes Trusted.Member

    And it is in this situation where Trump found his... trump card... See it used to be legal for a foreign entity to create a business in the US provided they pay a fee to the government. Now to understand this a bit better we need to go back before Trump.

    Clinton is credited for opening up China freely to the US. Aside from the Lewinsky thing, he did okay economically, especially when it came to foreign trade. However, it was not his administration that completed the trade negotiations. That fell into George W. Bush's administration. The people organized for the negotiations were not a big fan of Bush and vice versa, so they were replaced with people that Bush wanted.

    This is where it goes downhill... The 10 people organized for the trade negotiations had been government employees their entire career. Only one of them worked in the private sector and it was for a short time. So as far as I'm concerned they had very little concept of big business operations.

    And it showed in the results of the negotiations. A super short summary would read like this: A foreign entity is allowed to make a business provided it pays a fee to the US Government. The caveat is that the new jobs created CANNOT be held by a US citizen.

    That's why in MANY places (the malls were the most noticeable) in America, a whole bunch of companies popped up out of nowhere and started selling their goods using citizens of their own countries. It got so deep in the American economy that nearly 1 out of every 10 jobs in southern California, New Mexico, Arizona, and parts of Texas were one of these "new jobs". They essentially legalized the activities of non-citizens and the export of US funds to foreign governments. This is one of the many reasons why there is an export cap on how much money a person can send outside the US and not get flagged and audited by the IRS (Limit is set tot $2000 as of this writing).

    Now most people had not heard of this because a trade deal at this level is HIGHLY risky. Fortunately for Bush, media blackout was available and the privilege was used. Besides it would not do the US economy any good if people focused on too many things. Then 9/11 happened in 2001 and the US focus got collected and most of us know the changes starting with the creation of TSA.

    Back to the WB jobs... So as these fell into the background, this mass exchange of funds to outside the US fueled intense growth in the countries we dealt with, which now included China. If you watch the economics chart, this is roughly the same time that you see an explosion of growth, rather than a high progression.

    Combine that with the accelerating rate of inflation in the US due to not only the war but many other government related funding and time issues including ARM housing expiring, it was only a matter of time before the economy of the US would collapse under fiat which occurred big time in 2007/2008. It would take nearly a decade for the economy to start turning around and have CONTROLLED growth and a slow inflation. Ideally, we want to stop inflation all together, and get to deflation, but with the economy based in fiat, that's not going to happen.

    Enter Trump, one of the first things he did was to eliminate the WB jobs laws. Due to the media blackout applied in the initial proceedings, it was not a focus of the US. Besides once a scandal hits the media, that is all what the masses care about. "Screw the boring economics. I want to see the drama." Yeah, nobody watches a show to learn anything anymore or to bear witness. They watch for either the Sex, the Drama, and the Explosions...

    That's why you'll notice a lot of businesses that heavily employed foreigners die out and leave over the past few years. I know at the 2 malls near me and in the nearby big city, there was a notably huge reduction in the number of kiosks.

    For the American, this a a boon opportunity, but most are not willing to take the risks of having a business, or have little know-how to RUN a business. They may be good at their skills, but business is not skills.

    But back to the foreign sales people, the provisions in the WB jobs did not require the foreign entity to bring the people back to their home country once their contract time (2 years) was completed. So now we have a foreign national in the US legally, but not a citizen, even if they applied to become one (The process is just that long).

    So Trump's first action really gave the economy the control it needed and for the people in the upper incomes, that was a big deal. Their money retains full value instead of inflated depreciation.

    This is one of the keys that will get Trump re-elected. His biggest obstacle is the social media that has spiraled into chaos. Whomever can use the social media better, will significantly increase their odds at being the next president.

    Okay... history and economics lesson completed... for now.
     
    curiousFred and Brutus58 like this.
  6. SecretWishes

    SecretWishes Trusted.Member

    Have you ever seen a bull in a china shop? They are actually quite nimble. But you are right, he is savvy, just not politically... sensitive...? yeah, just not politically sensitive to being politically correct.

     
    Brutus58 and Insp Gadget like this.
  7. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    I have seen a video of a bull in a china shop, it didn't knock over or break anything. It avoided all the displays, but the saying is widely used to denote extensive damage and chaos, even if it doesn't happen in real life.
     
    curiousFred, Brutus58 and Insp Gadget like this.
  8. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    I have also seen videos of bulls and red capes, it seems bulls are not triggered by the color red. I remember watching Batman TV show in the 60's where batman used his cape to divert a bunch of bulls, since his cape was blue Robin questioned why it work where Batman explained bulls are colorblind. Later I learned this wasn't exactly true but in essence thats how it worked.
     
    curiousFred, Brutus58 and Insp Gadget like this.
  9. SecretWishes

    SecretWishes Trusted.Member

    LOL! Guys that was posted as a bit of a lark to lighten up the mood in here a bit. But yeah... The bulls are attracted to motion not color. It how nearly all color blind animals operate.

    I understand the expression's origin, but I just don't say it anymore because... well, I know better now.
     
    curiousFred, Brutus58 and Insp Gadget like this.
  10. Gunslinger

    Gunslinger Trusted.Member

  11. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

    President Trump has actually been an asset for Liberal policy :


     
  12. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

    Trump on Topic :

     
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2019
    Brutus58 likes this.
  13. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

    Brutus58 likes this.
  14. SecretWishes

    SecretWishes Trusted.Member

    I normally don't like taking sides in a Rep/Dem debate...

    I'm pro America and I prefer to have someone in office that has at least understanding of private economics at both the micro and macro level...

    But considering the Steele Dossier and all the events surrounding it...

    [​IMG]
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBPIhoaUYAEpBwP.jpg

    Well... I guess considering how the Steele Dossier came to be, I guess the trials would be an ADDITIONAL waste of taxpayer dollars... so it's not going to happen. Economics: Gotta love the logic... :p
     
    curiousFred, Brutus58 and oldman681 like this.
  15. Fetishests

    Fetishests Trusted Member

    well spoken
     
    oldman681 likes this.
  16. Fetishests

    Fetishests Trusted Member

    If the ideals trump empowers continue, government will slowly remove itself from illegally giverning morality . Be it marijuana, incest, abortion, or other taboos. Government has no right to legislate, and Trump knows that
     
    curiousFred, Brutus58 and oldman681 like this.
  17. SecretWishes

    SecretWishes Trusted.Member

    Umm... that is what Government means and in the case of 1/3 of US's government, it's explicit job is to legislate.

    Trump's primary job is to enforce said legislation, not to regulate or create it.
     
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2019
    curiousFred, bigjeff and Brutus58 like this.
  18. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

    A recent Fox News poll shows Trump losing to pretty much any Democrat in the next election.

    Here is a United Spot take on his opponents - and there are likely some witty references in there that this Canadian missed.

     
    oldman681 likes this.
  19. Dracoa

    Dracoa Trusted.Member

    That's just like in the 2016 election when Hillary had a 99% chance to win, right?
     
    Brutus58 and Insp Gadget like this.
  20. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

    Yes - and this Conservative did not miss that ! [​IMG] [​IMG]

    And if FOX News is as biased a news source as the New York Times and its ilk, the poll likely was intended to encourage pro-Israeli types.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.