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Discussion in 'Politics & Current Affairs' started by JoshuaMN, Mar 4, 2020.

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  1. Dane

    Dane Account Deleted

    WOW! It was a joke!

    Honestly, I brought up Cold Fusion as a joke in response to what Seltzer posted about not being free to build a fission reactor.

    Nothing more, nothing less.
     
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  2. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    If you are referring to a hydrogen bomb, the temperature at the point of the explosion is about 20 million degrees Celsius, the surface of the sun is 6 thousand degree. You probably mean the inner core of the sun, which is about 15 million degrees. The energy output of a bomb is 4 X 10^15 joules per megaton yield (had to look this one up). For the current fusion reactors, its not the total energy produce that counts, its the net energy produced. Starting a fusion reaction takes a lot of energy, and previously the energy output of a fusion reactor was less than the energy needed to start the reaction, a net negative. I think currently their best tokamat reactor is net zero in energy. I worked on building equipment for a different type of system, which turned out to be less practical, but very good for scientific data.
     
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  3. Neophyte

    Neophyte Administrator Staff Member

    Sometimes these threads take on a life of their own. You can either go with the flow or steer it back to the topic it started with.

    "Freedom is the right to choose ones own master.", me.
     
  4. pussycat

    pussycat Administrator Staff Member

    You should know by now that some entities here are devoid of a sense of humour - especially those whom we only keep around for comic relief.

    :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  5. jillicious

    jillicious Incestuous Story Writer

    No. It's not.


    I don't want to be mean here but your understanding of the subjects of fusion and fission appear to be lacking. You are conflating measured heat with energy expended from the reaction. Yes, they are related but are no where near as simple as measured heat output. From what I gather you're also conflating the reacting of nuclear weapons vs the harnessable energy from nuclear power.

    Nuclear fusion of hydrogen will give off around 14.1 Million electron volts (MeV). A fission reaction of U-235 gives off 198 MeV. The reason nuclear fusion bombs are hotter and more destructive than nuclear fission bombs is a direct result of density. The uranium bomb, little boy, gave an estimated equivalent yield of 15 kilotons of TNT. If you do the math you can show that somewhere around 2.5% of the entire fissionable mass actually fissioned. That means that 97.5% of that uranium did not have a reaction at all. On the other hand, a fusion bomb will have a much much higher utilization percentage proportional to the density of the hydrogen.

    In other words fusion bombs have a bigger boom because more of the material reacts.

    Nuclear power reactors, despite being significantly lower enrichment, are much more efficient in the utilization of that energy over time. In other words, the amount of material that fissions is much higher but the heat is absorbed by the water over a much longer period off time. Nuclear reactors obviously don't explode and don't heat up the sky instantly like a nuclear weapon. It's a false equivalency to discuss them in terms of observable heat when you're trying to talk about useable energy.

    I don't know. This whole conversation seems off to me and I think it is because of the conflating measurable heat of a nuclear reaction with harnessable energy output.

    And to continue on the bitch warpath...

    Transmutation of elements is a real thing. I think it interesting that you said it isn't followed by a prime example of it is. Yes, there are daughter products, yes we know how it works, but we still regularly use the term transmutation when referring to nuclear decay. The definition is the conversing of one element to another element or isotope. So I find that argument odd as well.

    I'll go back to my last post and repeat what I said about reading reputable books on the subject. I know it's a bitch thing to say but there really is no better answer than to put down the Wikipedia and pick up an expert.
     
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  6. seltzer

    seltzer Trusted Member

    A lil rough but not mean. You obviously are passionate about this topic.

    I got half way through my rant and had to delete it.

    I have questions rather than rants. If you got the time.

    Is it a single pair of hydrogen atoms that provides 14.1 MeV? How many in the U-235? I just wanna know if those are apples to oranges comparisons. If you don't know I won't hold it against you. I want to know more. The shortening of MeV caught me, I thought it was 14.1 MILLION MeV to 198 MeV. Imagine a morons rant based on not being able to read.

    And now semantics...

    Transmutation, when used by the simpler folk (like me) is Lead to Gold type transmutation. It harkens back to Philosopher Stone type of nonsense, the days of Newton or Harry Potter if you wanna get REALLY semantic about it. Using that word sets us back IN MY OPINION. Nuclear Decay is perfect in my opinion, my body decays despite it running normally... so there must be a process that says no matter how hard I try my body will change without my say so. I prefer precision of communication rather than words we already use, have used before to mean something different and may change in the future to mean other things.

    I hope you respond.
     
  7. seltzer

    seltzer Trusted Member

    Fine. You're up.

    "There is no such thing as freedom. There never really was."

    Really? No freedom?

    I have the freedom to... Murder, Rape, Pillage, Eat vegan, Eat Carnivore, Drive With My Feet, Drive With My Butt, Not Eat, Not Drive, Spit, Swallow, Fart Obnoxiously, Work For Foxnews, Work For CNN, Eat Ass, Fuck Ass, Go To College, Eat Shit, Die, Suicide, Binge And Purge, Starve, Drunken Noodle, Noodle Drunkenly, Passive Aggressive, Aggressively Passive, Be Stupid, Be Smart, Be Enlightened, Be Ignorant, and on, And On, AND ON!

    Freedom is immeasurable. It's others that say otherwise; like community guidelines, laws, taboo subjects, unknown territory, the abyss. There is always going to be an end to my freedom whether it be the end of my life or the absence of oxygen leading to the end of my life.

    It should always be HOW I use my freedom, not how it is defined.
     
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  8. curiousFred

    curiousFred Trusted.Member

    Joe Biden is a senile old bastard a fat lot of good he will do should he win.
     
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  9. curiousFred

    curiousFred Trusted.Member

    Freedom is an abstract idea, there must be laws to control some people or life next to them would be
    dangerous to impossible.
     
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  10. jillicious

    jillicious Incestuous Story Writer

    Yes, that is correct. It would take two hydrogen atoms to fuse together in order to produce fusion energy.


    One uranium 235 atom.

    In scientific papers it is considered common courtesy to fully write out an acronym and then place it in parenthesis. From that time on it is used as an acronym without having to redefine it. I should not have made the assumption that I could do the same thing here.

    I'm fully aware of Newton's misunderstanding of being able to turn lead into gold. And I hate to break it to you but Harry Potter is a fictional book. You can call it "semantics" all you want but it does not change the definition of transmutation.

    Your opinion sucks.

    There is more to transmutation than just nuclear decay. It also includes activation products or any activity than can change the element or isotope.

    Just because you don't comprehend the term doesn't mean the rest of the world sees it as you do. Search the internet for transmutation and possibly watch a few YouTube videos. I'm sure you'll learn quite a bit.


    I did but I'm not going to respond to this thread concerning anything nuclear from here on out. If you want to publicly discuss anything nuclear then please feel free to start a new thread.
     
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  11. Brutus58

    Brutus58 Trusted.Member

    I guess that I'm in the group that is "being kept around for comic relief". (BIG smiley emoji)
     
  12. Brutus58

    Brutus58 Trusted.Member

    I have always considered Wikipedia a work of fiction. Sorry if I've offended anyone.
     
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  13. Brutus58

    Brutus58 Trusted.Member

    What better way to rule than to be the one pulling the strings of a puppet. Rule out of site of the audience (congress/voters).
     
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  14. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

    Beware of opportunist Jared Kushner, my friends - he's what used to be called a 'plant'.

    Notice how he is showing up strategically as the debate proceeds over when to open up your Country, and he will push back against the advice of Dr. Fauci. Pillow talk influence.

    Look after the well-being of your own people first. Do not be pressured into getting your Economy back up prematurely just to suit offshore purposes.

     
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  15. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

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  16. JoshuaMN

    JoshuaMN Trusted.Member

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  17. Insp Gadget

    Insp Gadget Trusted.Member

    And now he's got a fake 'family member' whispering sweet nothings in his ear.
     
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  18. JoshuaMN

    JoshuaMN Trusted.Member

    yea i don't get Jared's need in the white house. My only theory is it was to keep his daughter Ivanka close as it is my belief that she is Donals sex toy
     
  19. cummunion

    cummunion Account Deleted

    A stark contrast to what we have now...:D
     
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  20. Marvo

    Marvo Trusted Member

    I am free to go to job to earn my miserable paycheque, and go home to mastrubate to incest porn lol.
    What I am not free to do : visiting regularly my family in my homeland, seeing my dearest friends ever again, pursuing my former girl crushes (and also they have creepy lives tbh), owning property, having property safety.

    Money is a real, real, garbage dumpster, and I sure hope it will fall down in a Fight Club fashion, and that we the people will become freeer to auto-determination and writing our futures.

    I think anyways, mass entertainment has broken something in our evolution chain and it's gonna take hundreds of re-evolution to repair.
     
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