By the numbers... (sorry... another COVID thread)

There are some conflicting reports on the number of cases and the number of deaths. Some studies found that many people who catch the virus, don't even know that they caught it and the number of deaths are reported as people testing positive for the virus, but not necessarily dying from the virus. I saw a report that the number of cases are 80 times higher than the reported cases and the number of deaths are about half of what is reported. Dying from the virus, according to some is about 1 out of 1,000.

 

If my neighbor and I said that the mortality rate was 100%, then, according to some, the mortality rate would be 100%.
Which of course would be total bullshit, but posting bullshit is perfectly within the rules.

 

About actual Covid19 disease infections rise in some countries and
good shown analyse of pandemic situation in different risky countries of the World,
(including US), illustrated with diagrams.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105

About US -

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Thousands fewer people would have died if the United States had imposed social-distancing measures one week earlier in March, according to a study by Columbia University disease modellers.

At one point, more than 90% of the US population was under mandatory lockdown orders, but all 50 states have now begun to loosen their stay-at-home restrictions and allowed some businesses to reopen - a move health officials fear could further spread the virus.

Top US infectious diseases doctor Anthony Fauci has cautioned against opening up public life too soon, warning of further "little spikes" which could become bigger outbreaks.

President Trump, who disagrees with Dr Fauci's advice, has made it clear he is keen to reopen the US economy "vaccine or no vaccine".

The latest figures show more than 38.6 million people have lost their jobs since the outbreak hit the US. That's nearly a quarter of the American workforce.

The rise means the jobless rate is now worse than at any time since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

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The lockdown was instituted to slowdown the spread of the virus, it was never meant to stop the spread. So the study is wrong, the same number of people would have died, just in a longer period of time.

 

Some of that sounds like the Co-Morbidity argument. That it was not Covid, just Covid and nothing but Covid that killed them and therefore was not Covid at all. That is flawed because, then, no one dies of the Flu. Ever. It is the Pneumonia they develop. The heart attack that being sick with Flu caused.

No one has died of AIDs. It is always a secondary infection not the AIDs.

 

But, unlike the Depression? SOME industries that people are filing from? They are filing because the Boss wants them "In the office or nothing!". A good portion of office jobs, not supporting face to face primary business? Can be DONE FROM HOME. It is a mix of old people who want things "like they were when I was young" and cheap bosses who dont upgrade on a "But I can cut costs if I dont" thought. I work from the Firm offices. But that is because they are on my property. Everyone from me and the senior parteners to the Paralegals and Secretaries have work from home abilities. The Brokerage (you will see why) we partner with are all working from home. Direct sales? Working from home. There are three types of owners I see in this. The one that is actually "put upon" by this because they require face to face, and cant. The ones who adapted to "today" before this happened. And the last is the "wring every penny of profit for me!"/"When I entered this industry in 1953........" owners who think they dont have to adapt to "today", everyone should just keep "yesterday" as reality.

I have also seen, through the Civil Law side of the firm (we partner with a large insurance broker to be a one stop shop for each other's customers) a lot of owners who are losing because they did not, in fact, "reinvest every penny" and instead "Bought cool personal shit" anytime there was good profit. And now that the $ stopped? They are having to consider selling the Mercedes CLK 450 they bought in cash back in December. May have sell some ART to keep it open.

 

Do you know that as they started to report more people dying from covid19, they reported fewer people dying from flu and other causes. I believe someone report that in some areas, report flu death's drop to zero.

And yes people have died of aids. It causes a degeneration of the brain, which eventually causes death, but it takes a long time and you are more likely of dying from other causes first.

 

With people practicing social distancing, proper hygiene, and wearing facial coverings, I'd be very surprised if flu transmission didn't drop dramatically.

It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

And if you want to be totally technical about it, everyone dies from cardiac arrest.

 

"Cause of death" has different meanings depending on the context. From a legal perspective, "gunshot wound" may be quite valid. Medically, its "exsanguination" (usually - the bullet wound caused you to bleed to death).
It's when people start bending the interpretation of statistics to suit their own agenda that we get into trouble. If you want to downplay the seriousness of a drug problem, then "drug overdose" becomes "heart failure". If you want to make it look like you're doing a good job of controlling the Covid 19 outbreak, just list cause of death as "respiratory failure".

Politicians should not be allowed access to data until after it has been publicly released by the Chief Medical Officer. That way they can't bend it to suit their own re-election chances.

As to AIDS, Neophyte is technically correct. However the odds of living long enough with AIDS (not to be confused with being HIV positive) for that to occur are so small as to be statistically insignificant. In a practical sense, no one dies of AIDS.

 

Don't you love statistics?

"we are testing more people than any other country, and the infection rate has stabilized".

Has it ever occurred to these morons that the more people you test, the less likely they are to be infected? So if the infection rate is stable, that's actually a very bad sign?
It means the virus is much more widespread throughout an asymptomatic population.

But that doesn't fit very well with "let's open up the economy", so we'll just ignore it, people are too stupid to figure it out by themselves.

 

Want to hear something hillarious. NYC is the only place in the state that is not in Stage 2 or about to be. Because everyone else Stayed TF inside for a month then went out. NYC they were walking, going, at parks, exercising in Central (I will really miss topless lunch in Central Park this summer).

 

Yeah. That is missing information. Because the bulk of the lawsuits filing daily now are against the homes not State. Because? There is a little part that means a lot. "You have to let them into the nursing homes". Not "You have to put them back in the same room, at the same rate to preserve profits". That is what the homes did. THey did not isolate them, for the most part (Excluding Artia and Bristol) have "shared rooms" and did not want to "Isolate". Atria and Bristol are the only ones I know of that dont have pending litigation from deaths. That is because those places have Singles, not shared. So the person taken back? Back into their own room. Building was already on lock down. Employees were fever tested at the door, and every 2 hours.